OH NO!! Metal shavings in oil filter :(|

[BruceH]

Good luck! Hope all goes well

[haz]

Cheers

[RawleyD]

Good luck Haz! Really interested in seeing the pics of the bearing/etc, thanks for sharing

[haz]

Originally Posted by RawleyD

Good luck Haz! Really interested in seeing the pics of the bearing/etc, thanks for sharing

Thanks

Feel free to ask any questions guys.

Originally Posted by stephen wilson

"Can't protect you from the law"? There is no law that was broken, except maybe if he knowingly sold you a failing engine. You got screwed by Porsche, not the previous owner.

Sorry, I may be venting my frustrations on you. I'm so tired of this attitude in the US: everyone thinks their owed something, and I'm going to sue at every opportunity, because it's free money right?

Did I say he broke the law? No. I said, in my post #138, that if I took this to court... (...) I am protected by the "private sales law", which basically says that if I discover a significant flaw (this is one, as the cost to fix the flaw exceeds 10% of the sale price) I have to inform the seller within two months after the sale was done - if I want to revert the sale. If I wanted to do that, and he said no, then I stand stronger in a court case. But like I said, I am not planning on doing that, but merely using that law as an argument towards the seller that he is not exempt from the law just because it was a private sale.

[haz]

Breaking news! Previous owner and seller takes 40% of the bill from the IMS replacement. Man of the year 2013!!!

[recycledsixtie]

I am happy Haz that the law in your country works in your favor. The seller sounds like a very decent type of person.

[haz]

I already announced him as person of the year 2013

I believe in karma, as does he I think.

[BYprodriver]

Originally Posted by haz

Thanks

Feel free to ask any questions guys.



Did I say he broke the law? No. I said, in my post #138, that if I took this to court... (...) I am protected by the "private sales law", which basically says that if I discover a significant flaw (this is one, as the cost to fix the flaw exceeds 10% of the sale price) I have to inform the seller within two months after the sale was done - if I want to revert the sale. If I wanted to do that, and he said no, then I stand stronger in a court case. But like I said, I am not planning on doing that, but merely using that law as an argument towards the seller that he is not exempt from the law just because it was a private sale.

Haz, based on the size of the metal in the pan, I believe you do want to revert the sale. You just don't know that yet!

[TAKART]

Bravo! You just gave me the energy to go for a 9 km drive

[haz]

LL You can do it

[runjmc2]

Did you get to see the IMS bearing....and does it look like those pieces of metal came from the bearing?

[haz]

I have the impression that some people dont read my posts, at all. I havent picked up the car yet. Pics was sent via email. Will post pics of the bearing when I pick up the car.

[TAKART]

Originally Posted by haz

I have the impression that some people dont read my posts, at all. I havent picked up the car yet. Pics was sent via email. Will post pics of the bearing when I pick up the car.

No offence, haz, many guys don't read details. they read the issue then the cause and then the solution. easy. Details are important for you but meaningless to some. Don't take it badly

Most guy I know with a same issue would have not done half of what you did

Engine problem < metals everywhere inside = change engine == back on the road next week. Max cost +/- $5-6k. Then celebrate with friends on the roof.

You prefer to give your money to repair man, when someone you now call a clown told you not to do. And then you entertain the forum member. Other than my wife when she goes shopping I don't know anybody like you so don't expect all of us to read the details after page 3. Patience my frined, where are your people skill you mention in a nother post??

[haz]

Just tired of repeating myself thats all. I have great people skills, dont worry

[Perfectlap]

Runjmc2 still makes a good point, these initial photos should include the IMS bearing. That's the thing I would be most interested in seeing first.

Also, is this the same shop that did the car's inspection?

[haz]

IMS PICS TO COME Have to pick the car up on monday before I Get my hands on the bearing. PPI was done 850 km away from my town.

[thom4782]

Haz:

You probably have thought already about what I am going to say for the sake of other readers.

When the IMS bearing begins to fail, steel pieces get disbursed throughout the lubrication channels by the flow of oil. As these pieces travel though the engine, they can score parts that they come in contact with or lodge in various lubrication channels. Some, but not necessarily all, will end up in the filter and some in the oil pan. Once this happens, the worry becomes: 1) have the pieces damaged internal engine parts already and 2) will clogged lubrication channels lead internal damage in the future. It's hard to know.

At this point, the owner has several choices. One, he can clean out the pan and put a new filter in an hope the engine will last many more miles. Two, he can buy a new or refurbished engine and hope that it will last. Three, he can tear down his own engine, look for damage, clean it throughly, replace damaged parts and reassemble it.

If it were me and I chose option one, I would want the shop to tell me what it can to do assure me that there isn't additional internal damage beyond the IMS bearing itself and what steps they will take to flush out the lubrication system.

[Steve Tinker]

haz....
I agree with what thom4782 says in the above post - you want to be absolutly clear from the repair shop that all the metal that was found in the oil pan has not been pumped round the engine causing untold damage. Looking at your pics, the amount of metal is disturbing - even if it is alloy and not steel. I'd like to know how the repair shop can get rid of any metal still floating round the engine block.
In any event, the debris will have scored the oil pumps (all 3 of them), probably the plain metal bearings (camshafts, IMS plain bearing at rear of engine, big end & mains) and as thom says, potential blockage of the miriad of oil passageways throughout the engine.
I wonder if the repairer will give you any guarantee that the engine has not been compromised with what they have found in the filter and oil pan - I bet not??

[BYprodriver]

Shop can't guarantee anything without a complete disassembly

[haz]

You have all the answers